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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-77066</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was on the bus today from NYC to a rural area in Jersey. I had my headphones on most of the trip to unwind. The group around me were chatting up a storm, same group and very friendly and chat up a strom every evening. 
Once we got to a less busy part of the route, I shut off my head phones and chatted lazily with the driver, as we (a group) always do.
NOW, I avoided a childish argument with a person seemingly holding your viewpoint. She was mumbling under her breath about me and pulling in people sitting around her. I don&#039;t know if it was my chatting (was not alone in chatting) or my headphones that bothered her. Why? Because, although I was perceived the offender, she was not mature enough to respectively tap my shoulder or get my attention to let me know what I was doing that was bothering her. I would have turned off the headphones or stopped the chatting had she asked, and even more so -had she asked politely. 

The fights start because of bickering and lack of general manners, that is all. People who take public transportation are subjected to exactly that, the public. I would have apologized to her had I known what I did to upset her, as it was not my intention. But instead, like you say- kids will fight. I ignored her and her childish undertoned bickering, fighting the urge to &quot;call her out.&quot; It&#039;s not how it should be and you should understand like the rest of mass transit participants, we are in an ever crowding world. Public is just that, public. Don&#039;t expect silence in a public forum you do not conmtrol. That is just how it is, constitution and all. If you want a certain atmosphere, walk....drive...take a bike....DON&#039;T take the bus....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was on the bus today from NYC to a rural area in Jersey. I had my headphones on most of the trip to unwind. The group around me were chatting up a storm, same group and very friendly and chat up a strom every evening.<br />
Once we got to a less busy part of the route, I shut off my head phones and chatted lazily with the driver, as we (a group) always do.<br />
NOW, I avoided a childish argument with a person seemingly holding your viewpoint. She was mumbling under her breath about me and pulling in people sitting around her. I don&#8217;t know if it was my chatting (was not alone in chatting) or my headphones that bothered her. Why? Because, although I was perceived the offender, she was not mature enough to respectively tap my shoulder or get my attention to let me know what I was doing that was bothering her. I would have turned off the headphones or stopped the chatting had she asked, and even more so -had she asked politely. </p>
<p>The fights start because of bickering and lack of general manners, that is all. People who take public transportation are subjected to exactly that, the public. I would have apologized to her had I known what I did to upset her, as it was not my intention. But instead, like you say- kids will fight. I ignored her and her childish undertoned bickering, fighting the urge to &#8220;call her out.&#8221; It&#8217;s not how it should be and you should understand like the rest of mass transit participants, we are in an ever crowding world. Public is just that, public. Don&#8217;t expect silence in a public forum you do not conmtrol. That is just how it is, constitution and all. If you want a certain atmosphere, walk&#8230;.drive&#8230;take a bike&#8230;.DON&#8217;T take the bus&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SF Muni Ladies</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-11666</link>
		<dc:creator>SF Muni Ladies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred - we Muni Ladies are pleased to see that agencies recognize their part in helping riders clean up their act! While we expel the wisdom of modern day etiquette surrounding many of the scenarios you&#039;ve mentioned, agencies have to enforce these rules to help change behavior..one rider at a time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8211; we Muni Ladies are pleased to see that agencies recognize their part in helping riders clean up their act! While we expel the wisdom of modern day etiquette surrounding many of the scenarios you&#8217;ve mentioned, agencies have to enforce these rules to help change behavior..one rider at a time!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-11630</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a car operator in the 1940&#039;s we (generally)had the luxury of a conductor to handle passenger problems on heavy runs.

Now most transit vehicles are one person operated and
may still not have built in vehicle-supervisor com equipment, but the operator could use a cell phone to call for assistance. Why then the recent rush to forbid
cell phone availability on the demeaning assumption that a person trained for and trusted with the responsibility for passenger safety can&#039;t be relied on to NOT use that phone in improper/distracting ways ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a car operator in the 1940&#8242;s we (generally)had the luxury of a conductor to handle passenger problems on heavy runs.</p>
<p>Now most transit vehicles are one person operated and<br />
may still not have built in vehicle-supervisor com equipment, but the operator could use a cell phone to call for assistance. Why then the recent rush to forbid<br />
cell phone availability on the demeaning assumption that a person trained for and trusted with the responsibility for passenger safety can&#8217;t be relied on to NOT use that phone in improper/distracting ways ?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Mauser</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-11627</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Mauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re a nation full of many people who refuse to take responsibility for bad behavior.  There&#039;s always an excuse or a sense of entitlement.  

Sure, many people will ignore instructions to improve their behavior when asked to do so.  But that&#039;s because of this ridiculous attitude of &quot;nobody tells me what to do&quot; of many Americans.  But in the end it&#039;s still worth it for drivers (and passengers!) to kindly ask someone to change their behavior, because I think many WILL change their the NEXT time they ride.  It&#039;s just that pride will prevent them from acknowledging it the day their berated.  The NEXT time, they won&#039;t want to face the berating of others.  Just be patient (and strong)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re a nation full of many people who refuse to take responsibility for bad behavior.  There&#8217;s always an excuse or a sense of entitlement.  </p>
<p>Sure, many people will ignore instructions to improve their behavior when asked to do so.  But that&#8217;s because of this ridiculous attitude of &#8220;nobody tells me what to do&#8221; of many Americans.  But in the end it&#8217;s still worth it for drivers (and passengers!) to kindly ask someone to change their behavior, because I think many WILL change their the NEXT time they ride.  It&#8217;s just that pride will prevent them from acknowledging it the day their berated.  The NEXT time, they won&#8217;t want to face the berating of others.  Just be patient (and strong)!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Lowe</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-11621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This time you&#039;ve got it right.  Something should be done.  The &quot;quality&quot; of people using transit in some areas is so bad that it scares prospective customers away.  Who wants to ride on a bus with a bunch of inconsiderate hoodlums?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This time you&#8217;ve got it right.  Something should be done.  The &#8220;quality&#8221; of people using transit in some areas is so bad that it scares prospective customers away.  Who wants to ride on a bus with a bunch of inconsiderate hoodlums?</p>
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		<title>By: Vince Dawson</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-11600</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. Now, were in MY WORLD.

I actually teach a course in passenger realtions at &lt;b&gt;The Bus And Motorcoach Academy&lt;/b&gt;.

After years of having to &quot;referee the playground&quot;, you really have to learn to choose your battles. Even the transit operator (in this case, the poor schmuck behind the controls) has good days and bad days. Add to that, most training courses don&#039;t adequately cover passenger relations (does yours? go check!). The bus driver or rail operator can instantly become the bad guy without knowing what he or she is getting themselves into. 

It all comes down to &lt;b&gt;TACT&lt;/b&gt;. There is no one (good) way to respond to another passengers request to police the playpen. The &lt;i&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t Make Me Come Back There&quot;&lt;/i&gt; approach (I&#039;ve pateneted that, btw) doesn&#039;t always work (damn!). The other thing that often happens, is you may have a bus full of &quot;armchair quarterbacks&quot; that will second guess the driver, and either critcize the drivers actions back at the driver, or write a &quot;nastygram&quot; to the transit agency, or even worse, the news media (we&#039;ve all seen that).

What it comes down to also, is how do you define rude behavior? When is a social faux paux become a major offense? Not every &quot;criminal act&quot; justifies tossing someone off the transit system. One person has their iPod a bit too loud, another has The Chicago Tribune open wide and spread out over their seatmate. A waitress who has been on her feet all night has relived herself of her shoes, while a young mother is trying to comfort one cranky child while the other is on a sugar rush...

As the captain of the ship, you have to take it all with a grain of salt. Keep your sense of humor and realize that you have your bad days, and things could be worse. I always tried to approach offensive passengers with a smile and a voice of reason -- not authotity. No, not all outcomes will be the same, and not everybody will be happy with being confronted -- nor will witnesses be totally happy with your decision. I&#039;ve been caled on the carpet often after &quot;other anonymous passengers&quot; called or wrote the transit authority with their opinion on my being too wimpy or heavy handed (and yes, I have physically thrown passengers off a vehicle!). It&#039;s a fine line we walk. Choose your battles. Some wars are best left unfought. It&#039;s a short life, if we all just got along...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. Now, were in MY WORLD.</p>
<p>I actually teach a course in passenger realtions at <b>The Bus And Motorcoach Academy</b>.</p>
<p>After years of having to &#8220;referee the playground&#8221;, you really have to learn to choose your battles. Even the transit operator (in this case, the poor schmuck behind the controls) has good days and bad days. Add to that, most training courses don&#8217;t adequately cover passenger relations (does yours? go check!). The bus driver or rail operator can instantly become the bad guy without knowing what he or she is getting themselves into. </p>
<p>It all comes down to <b>TACT</b>. There is no one (good) way to respond to another passengers request to police the playpen. The <i>&#8220;Don&#8217;t Make Me Come Back There&#8221;</i> approach (I&#8217;ve pateneted that, btw) doesn&#8217;t always work (damn!). The other thing that often happens, is you may have a bus full of &#8220;armchair quarterbacks&#8221; that will second guess the driver, and either critcize the drivers actions back at the driver, or write a &#8220;nastygram&#8221; to the transit agency, or even worse, the news media (we&#8217;ve all seen that).</p>
<p>What it comes down to also, is how do you define rude behavior? When is a social faux paux become a major offense? Not every &#8220;criminal act&#8221; justifies tossing someone off the transit system. One person has their iPod a bit too loud, another has The Chicago Tribune open wide and spread out over their seatmate. A waitress who has been on her feet all night has relived herself of her shoes, while a young mother is trying to comfort one cranky child while the other is on a sugar rush&#8230;</p>
<p>As the captain of the ship, you have to take it all with a grain of salt. Keep your sense of humor and realize that you have your bad days, and things could be worse. I always tried to approach offensive passengers with a smile and a voice of reason &#8212; not authotity. No, not all outcomes will be the same, and not everybody will be happy with being confronted &#8212; nor will witnesses be totally happy with your decision. I&#8217;ve been caled on the carpet often after &#8220;other anonymous passengers&#8221; called or wrote the transit authority with their opinion on my being too wimpy or heavy handed (and yes, I have physically thrown passengers off a vehicle!). It&#8217;s a fine line we walk. Choose your battles. Some wars are best left unfought. It&#8217;s a short life, if we all just got along&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Harvey Glickenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey Glickenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEPTA has instituted a &quot;quiet car&quot; as the first car on all peak hour trains of three cars or more.  Passenger attendants announce the rules, which are actually posted on all cars, and try to enforce them. I have heard that the rules, which include speaking in low tones or whispering in the car as well as no cell phone converstations or loud computer beeps, appear to be working on SEPTA so far.  I have also heard that the quiet cars on Amtrak are not well enforced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEPTA has instituted a &#8220;quiet car&#8221; as the first car on all peak hour trains of three cars or more.  Passenger attendants announce the rules, which are actually posted on all cars, and try to enforce them. I have heard that the rules, which include speaking in low tones or whispering in the car as well as no cell phone converstations or loud computer beeps, appear to be working on SEPTA so far.  I have also heard that the quiet cars on Amtrak are not well enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Cohen</title>
		<link>http://o.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2009/05/15/rude-people/#comment-11534</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well stated.
Bus pulls over, returns fare, asks rider to get off.  Zero tolerance for rude behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well stated.<br />
Bus pulls over, returns fare, asks rider to get off.  Zero tolerance for rude behavior.</p>
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